Open & Awkward: Shop Talk with Katie & Amanda
Episode 5 – SPACE
There actually IS crying in business
What’s this podcast about?
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During episode 5 Katie made Amanda cry, but it was a good cry. Katie discussed how she crawled out of her worst year (personally) of business, 2022, and why you might not want to grow your business beyond a certain point. They talked about taking up space in the world of business, owners vs. managers, and Amanda sang, “This Ain’t Taxes,” a cover of “This Ain’t Texas.”
Highlights:
- Owner vs. Manager
- Taking up Space
- Business is F*cking hard
- Katie makes Amanda cry
- Beyonce
- The Rockettes
- Who the podcast is for, part 5
Links:
Business books written by women and non-binary people, a list compiled by Jessica Lackey
Pop Culture Happy Hour Podcast
Beyonce’s album – Cowboy Carter
Rockettes dancing to Texas Hold ‘em
MISA (Madeline Island School of Arts)
Pictures:
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The Stuff at the End
Amanda’s Work Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shop.aster.gardens
Katie’s Work Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thegardenofwordsagency
Katie’s Personal Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/katie_gardenofwords
Amanda’s Website: https://kissmyaster.com/
Katie’s Website: https://thegardenofwords.com/
The Open & Awkward Podcast is a production of The Garden of Words, LLC. Copyright 2024 Amanda Thomsen and Katie Elzer-Peters. All rights reserved.